Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

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Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby ChaoticReality » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:18 pm

Sorry for the delay. I emailed the minutes to myself and then had email problems :(

Artist Facilities – 02/04/09

Present: Nix, Emma (With dreadlocks, not admin Emma), Sam, Mike, Giovanna
Apologies: Simone

Agenda:
1) Cave
2) Cafe Sound System
3) Sound Team
4) Dark Room Update
5) Screen Printing Update
6) Studios Update
7) Smoke Machine
8) Projector
9) Workshop

1) Cave:
Nix: Cave is not in use as much as it could be. We have to get ready to start charging £7.50/hour so Cave in general needs improving. What do we need to do before we can raise prices?
Door in back right hand corner for storage space? Clear out old stuff?
Service/repair all the equipment.

<Giovanna Enters>

Mike: Soundproofing.
Sam: People could surrender ID to get Cave Key and get it back on return of key and money.
<Nix gives 10 minute overview of how Cave booking works>
Nix: Membership cards on hold due to impracticality, not knowing who is an active user etc
Emma: How about we combine the ideas and make new cards when people turn up for the first time if they want to be regular users.
Mike: Too much hassle for kitchen staff?
Nix: Cave bookings online is too much hassle, not everyone has easy internet access and paper booking sheet is easier to administrate.
Mike: Have the sheet in the kitchen? Perhaps we can ask the cafe crew how they feel about this?

2) Cafe soundsystem:
Nix: Shane removed EQ and this fixed buzz on speaker. EQ now moving to cave.
Mike: Don’t really need EQ as we have a 4-band on the new desk which is probably adequate for our needs
Mike: Jukebox is much louder in red room than cafe.
AP: Nix to fit variable resistor to signal chain to control volume in red room.


3) Sound team:

Nix: As of 14th April, I will no longer be Forest Artist Facilities Manager and would like to propose that Sam takes over Sound Team Co-ordination
<Proposal of above> No stand-asides, no blocks. Consensus reached.
Mike: What does post actually entail?
Nix: Making sure there is an engineer for every gig, training and potentially holding a weekly sound team meeting.
Mike: Being contactable is very important.
Nix: I have spare phone which can be donated as AFM phone.
AP: Nix to donate phone when possible.

4) Dark room update:

Nix: Martin is still answering emails and inducting people into using the darkroom. It is now compatible with fire system stuff. He is not official bottom liner as he can’t attend any AFWG meetings but he is still responsible person.

5) Screen printing update:
Nix: Stephen is bottom liner for SP. He is rebuilding stud wall around boiler in order to make room legal to use as per fire dept instructions. Today he should have installed the vacuum screen press.
Estimates room will be fully functional within 2 weeks.

6) Studios update:
Nix: Simone is bottom liner for balconies. Studios are fully used up.
Mike: Are we actually getting any money from the studios? 6 Studios at £20/month should be £120/month income. Where is it? Simone needs to chase up artists?
Nix: The bikes still need sorting.
AP: Nix will keeping bikes in the space complete. Intends to get Forest Bikes and Bike Generator workshop away from balconies ASAP. Working on finding alternative space.

7) Smoke machine:
Sam: Smoke machines are evil. They are poison, fog juice contains glycols which are petroleum based poison. We don’t allow people to smoke in here because it violates people's right to clean air. Same should apply to smoke machines. I will not participate in any event with smoke machine.
Nix: Should we sell smoke machine?
Sam: We should have a no smoke machine policy full stop.
Mike: Lots of people like it. Surely if it was that dangerous it would be banned?
Emma: Smoking cigarettes is dangerous, that’s not banned.
Sam: They have warning labels on for asthmatics. I’ve only seen it in use once or twice.
Nix: It doesn’t get used much but is worth a bit of money.
Emma: <Proposal> Sell it. No stand-asides, no blocks. Accepted.
AP: Nix to sell smoke machine.


8) Projector:
Nix: It appears projector is overheating and malfunctioning. Ryan attempted fix. Still fucked.
Mike: It’s been doing this on and off for months, with increasing frequency.
Nix: I will come in and squirt it with compressed air and possibly install spare one tomorrow (03/04) and see if it is suitable for the space.

9) Tools Workshop:
Emma: How does it work? Do you have to sign a book? Is it limited to Forest projects?
Nix: Due to added scrutiny from Health & Safety, from now on you have to be trained and supervised to use tools. In my time here, five people have injured themselves with various powertools.
I will try and get a system in place before I leave. Ideally remove workshop key from public domain.
Mike: What about darkroom users? People will ask for darkroom key to get to workshop?
Sam: What about a locked box for tools?
Nix: Good idea, people can then still use simpler tools without hassle.
AP: Nix/Sam/Emma: Sort out workshop, recatalogue tools, make locked box etc.


10) Hall:
Gio: What are arrangements for cleaning?
Nix: <explains>
Emma: Heating in hall is too high, always boiling, is it wasteful?

Meeting ends, Hooray!

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby Jane » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:39 pm

[quote="ChaoticReality"]
7) Smoke machine:
Sam: Smoke machines are evil. They are poison, fog juice contains glycols which are petroleum based poison. We don’t allow people to smoke in here because it violates people's right to clean air. Same should apply to smoke machines. I will not participate in any event with smoke machine.
Nix: Should we sell smoke machine?
Sam: We should have a no smoke machine policy full stop.
Mike: Lots of people like it. Surely if it was that dangerous it would be banned?
Emma: Smoking cigarettes is dangerous, that’s not banned.
Sam: They have warning labels on for asthmatics. I’ve only seen it in use once or twice.
Nix: It doesn’t get used much but is worth a bit of money.
Emma: <Proposal> Sell it. No stand-asides, no blocks. Accepted.
AP: Nix to sell smoke machine.


ok, firstly I think you people is crazy and perhaps this should be cleared with cafe&events too, as some people might want it for events.

BUT if not... how much? Maybe I will buy it.

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby swithun » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:34 pm

Yes, maybe a controversial decision should be made by a wider group of people. But I hope that they come to the same decision. The pleasure given a smoke machine to a few people is outweighed by the pain it gives to more people. You're not going to walk out of an event because they don't have a smoke machine pumping out smoke.

When lycra and big hair come back into fashion, we can ask for one on freecycle.

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby Jane » Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:01 pm

if that's what people agree on... Just not quite sure it's in the remit of AF to decide that and there are some events (specifically, freak outs/happenings) where a smoke machine is needed, and selling it would mean it's never available for people to use. However, I don't really know why I'm arguing this because I seriously would maybe like to buy it for my bar.

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby milk » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:23 am

hey, if you don't like it, post on the BB (so you can ask about participating for better) |

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby ravanwin » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:47 pm

do not sell the smoke machine. it is good for all sorts. even if it is poison. a little poison is good sometimes.

pretty sure it is a cafe and events thing. events likes smoke.

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby martinmckenna » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:49 pm

i dont thing it should be sold . if volunteers object to it when they are working , then it should not be put on . people who want to use it can source volunteers who dont mind working with it on . this is about choice .

also was this agenda point posted before the meeting ? its good practice to post agenda point before the meeting so people have a chance to attend if they feel strongly about it . rather than it just appearing on the night without warning . this was obliviously going to be a contraversal point


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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby Jimmy Bastard » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:04 am

obviously agree with ryan - jane - martin.
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Postby milk » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:27 am

hey, if you don't like it, post on the BB (so you can ask about participating for better) |

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby stephengoodall » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:56 am

yeah, and computers website etc has been brought up and discussed at behind the scenes too.

also visual arts doesn't really deal with front of house anymore.
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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby nix » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:54 am

please don't worry.

your precious smoke machine is safe.

nice to see such a informed and impassioned response though.

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby Gandhi » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:29 pm

One of the coolest things that has ever happened in the Forest was when the smoke machine was put on for half an hour so the cafe room was filled with smoke, they then turned off all the lights and put on KLF chillout album on full blast and started dancing and hitting pots and pans. This, I believe, was instigated by Alex and for that sir, I salute you. It may have been slightly un-health&safety but it was uber cool and summed up what a crazy and wild place the Forest was.

To my knowledge this has never happened again, and possibly nothing this cool has ever happened again. This means that potentially the Forest reached it's wild peak 2 years ago on a tuesday(?), in the late afternoon. However I believe that the Forest can reach this level of coolness again and without the smoke machine at volunteers disposal a legacy of crazyness and mad bastardness would officially be over, or it might be an extra nail in the coffin at the least.

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby Jane » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:15 pm

actually, this was initiated by me/dai/tim. alex was our bourbon biscuit minion for the day and force fed customers horrid tesco value treats from underneath a cloak of sheets. dai painted his penis with day-glo paint and got buff and ran around in the afternoon. I cut tim's hair off standing on a table and cut a polish customers finger with blunt scissors and made him bleed, then gave him a compensatory horse toy from the free shop. we played KLF full volume and played strobes. we yelled a lot and hit things hard. we really, REALLY didn't give a fuck.

I miss those afternoons.
fuck H&S.
fuck mediocrity.
fuck your fucking lungs.

if you want to know what fucking your health for art means, ask dai how his crotch felt that week.

this comment should be taken with a pinch of tequila.

ps: I'm SO glad that day is remembered.
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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby Gandhi » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:27 pm

well done to Jane, Tim and Dai's cock
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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby ravanwin » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:56 pm

as something to consider rather than a critique - i think you should have the smoke machine at the roxy for the fundraiser:

why?

because it is a big space and smoke makes it seem more small and intimate. it helps people dance in a cavernous space and it makes things seem warm. this may not be needed but you might want to deploy it.

maybe not but it is a big scary room that holds 500 people. if there are only 75 in there - it may feel really empty and smoke does help.

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby neil » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:42 am

Re: lockable box for tools. There is a big lockable metal cabinet in the workshopp room. This was originally intended for locking valuable tools to prevent theft. Sadly, it was never kept locked. I don't know what happened to the keys. I may still have one. I'll have a look for it if the cabinet is suitable for locking up dangerous tools.

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Re: Artist Facilities - 02/04/09

Postby simone » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:51 pm

i saw the hall for the first time the other day and it is a big space and i agree about using the smoke machine for the evening events, it always good to get people dancing
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