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Another Freaking Hotel?

Postby ravanwin » Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:12 pm

Want to stop the development of the Old Odeon into a hotel / student accomodation type place?

well: your chance to question the deveopers of the project and to make dissent is Thursday the 13th at 6.30 in the nicholson st. church (118 nicholson st)

It is a community center type place.

I am away so canot attend. it would be good to represent.
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Postby beev » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:21 pm

Let's avoid being against things like this just for the sake of it. There should be a good reason, beyond "changing something old into something new is bad."

I live in Leith, where there is loads of for-profit development going on all the time. It has been having a really positive effect on the area, except that there is always the odd busybody who objects to absolutely everything and does nothing but whinge, whinge, whinge. Thankfully the council manages to press on with a lot of stuff regardless.

To give an example of how the area has improved thanks to development: there is a deli down the road from me which has opened up recently. I go there regularly as it sells an amazing selection of tasty fairtrade and organic foodstuffs, great coffee, organic wines, fresh organic veg etc etc. I wouldn't want to be without it, but it wouldn't exist if not for the "gentrification" going on nearby. (That being the conversion of shitty, ugly, old, unused land into places for people to live & hang out).

The same goes for various other small & independently owned shops & galleries in the area, which can only exist because of the new people moving in. There has also been a number of new community projects springing up and doing positive things with the 'yoof', and there is now a local arts & culture festival and a local radio station focusing on local issues. And Leith has become safer. All good, all coming about as a result of the development that is going on in the area.

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Postby Shannon » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:27 pm

So what you're saying is, Leith has become a middle class haven?

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Postby chombee » Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:20 pm

It's got nothing to do with "changing something old into something new is bad." The Odeon was a great cinema and it's still a great building. Smashing it down to build a hotel is wasteful, and just utterly tasteless and totally unimaginative. Edinburgh doesn't need any more hotels or new hotel developments. Turning everything into hotels and luxury apartments is profitable but makes Edinburgh a shitty place to live. Surely something cultural, or at least interesting, could be done with that building? Something where culture and community projects could go on would be great.

And it's not about being against anything that's for-profit either. A hotel has no redeeming qualities. A good for-profit project would be fine.

But you are right, demolishing more of Edinburgh's cultural buildings and building hotels will reduce crime, increase culture and community projects, and promote fairtrade and organic food.

Planned gentrification of Edinburgh against the will of those who live here stinks. This reminds me of Edinburgh City Council's slogan: "Inspiring Capital."

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Postby martinmckenna » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:31 pm

i tend to agree with chombee , it seems quite an unimaginative use of the space . i like the idea of vertical farms

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Postby Jimmy Bastard » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:07 am

Neil stop playing devil's avocado under the guise of being a true free thinker.
how dare you assume it's an adopted generalisation
"changing something old into something new is bad."
Get some civic pride, man,
of course it's fucking bad, I pass that building every day with outright awe to its history and future potential.
It's the architectural equivalent to Leslie Ash.
It's a bullshit and depressing proposal and it floats my boat as much as ten tonnes of shit.
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Postby chombee » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:30 pm

It seems they are doing this with many listed buildings in Edinburgh now: leave the facade intact, demolish the building and replace it with something shit.

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Postby ravanwin » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:39 pm

the owners have cunningly let the building go quite derilict in order to prove that it can be nothing but luxury student accomodation. it's a pity. a beautiful building. i reckon swithun and duncan should squat it and show mon. film nights there.

student halls are good, by the way, and can really bring disperate people together. my feeling is it's better to have the university provide these rather than private companies seperate from the uni.

i've never lived in unite. they are not the ones taking over the odeon site, as far as i can tell. they are merely an example of what's been happening,.
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Postby dan » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:08 pm

what ryan says is correct. It is incresingly common to try and charge outrageous rents for these buildings (i believe the Odeon was something like 180k, right?) and then when no-one rents them (surprise surprise) then you prove they are useless and knock em down. this is bad news. Yes to film nights in these I would definately come.

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Postby swithun » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:31 pm

I couldn't possibly condone or encourage this sort of irresponsible and reckless behaviour.

I think something similar happened to a nice old music hall in Hackney recently. It was left empty until it became derelict and could then be turned into a car park or something.

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Postby bill » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:39 pm

yeah the idiots a sciennes halls charge £390 per month for a shit small room and a kitchin shared between 5. fuckers.

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Re: Another Freaking Hotel?

Postby stephengoodall » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:41 pm

First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is.

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Re: Another Freaking Hotel?

Postby Duncan » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:44 pm

Student flats is a side issue. The point is the Odeon, and particularly its insides, is one of the most important pieces of early 20th century architecture in Edinburgh. It's grade B listed, and was in line to be upgraded to A. It has a huge auditorium inside which has been covered up for years. Even the large screen 1 that some of us will remember is only the upstairs part of the original room, which is all still there, features preserved and boarded up. It has an amazing art deco parlour cafe at the front and lots more. It could be Edinburgh's greatest art venue in the right hands and there have been many proposals to do so, including a new venue for the Queen's Hall, all blocked by the developers by various means.

All the council and their cronies care about is making as much money as possible short term by more bland homogenisation of the city. Fuck them. To me this is worse than Trump and his golf course.

Look here : http://www.scottishcinemas.org.uk/edinb ... index.html

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Re: Another Freaking Hotel?

Postby Gaz » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:04 pm

Hooray! At last... those hordes of tourists camping out on Carlton Hill have a place to stay!

"Edinburgh's Royal High School set to rise again as £35m art hotel"

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Royal ... 6036933.jp

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/ ... 6037674.jp

http://www.forthone.com/Article.asp?id= ... spid=25613


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