CCTV Meet - 20th Apr

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CCTV Meet - 20th Apr

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Postby chombee » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:25 pm

I can do some work on this at the weekend, making posters and stuff, if needed. I'll be at the NM training Friday night so we can talk about it then,

There seem to be lots of people around who don't want to volunteer in the kitchen, but would be happy to be in the space doing this Tranquility thing. They just didn't know it was needed. I think a rota for this is a good idea, and I see Katie and Ryan are AP'ed for this. It would be good to have people in the cafe whose names are on a rota, and who introduce themselves to the volunteers so they know who the tranquility people are. Sounds very good. Do we also need a poster and flyers to let people know about this? If people think yes I can make some this weekend.

The tranquility thing is important from a cultural point of view, that we make an effort to deal with this problem in a community way instead of just installing a camera and relying on that to solve it for us. Tranquility and CCTV are not mutually exclusive, but I feel it's important to make an effort to encourage Tranquility whether or not we have CCTV. I had thought that the people who were against CCTV were against it because CCTV is an evil technology, which I thought was misguided, but actually, I think it's more that they see tranquility as a more positive community way of dealing with the problem, which is a good point.

I heard it said that we want a resurgence of old, experienced NMs to do some shifts to bring order and show people how it works. Communication is important. I am telling every past NM who I know about this, because often they are willing but just don't realise they're needed. A poster also?

Sorry to miss the meeting and then comment on it, but...

Barred Book -- definitely good. But I feel that a dedicated polaroid barred camera is necessary also, so that photos of repeat offenders can be easily taken and stuck into the book. I'm not saying that every time someone starts an argument or fight that you have to get this camera and take a snap of their face. That would likely escalate the situation. But for the repeat offenders who come in drunk and sleep, hang around upstairs, that sort of thing, we should take any opportunity for an easy shot just so other people can recognise them and communicate about them via the book and we can put up a united front.

I feel I'm on my own here. Does anybody else agree with me about the polaroid? Should I get one?

The red light in the kitchen -- does it really mean anything? Or has it become more of a joke really? I don't think, if there's a problem, that turning on that light to alert people is the best idea. Just shout.

Training for NMs -- about how to deescalate potentially bad situations. Would be good, it's confidence building. Yasmin tells me that there is someone who can do this training and she has been contacted. I don't know the details. Perhaps this is what James is arranging?

I like the idea of monthly NM trainings with Ryan. If this is happening, I will come to them, and will NM more.

CCTV -- it was suggested to me to keep a video camera behind the kitchen and get it out when there is trouble. Maybe it could work, but I feel this would probably escalate things.

Implementation wise, I feel we should keep it simple and either go with no CCTV at all or have it on on all the time. I am not sure it is a good idea to have it turning on and off. Does this make it even less likely to get snaps of people? Particularly when something has been stolen, or if some trouble happens behind the NM's back, there's no point in turning the camera on afterwards. Also for the camera upstairs, if it is turning itself on with a sensor then it's going to shoot everyone that passes any way, so why not just leave it on all the time? Ethically it is the same and technically probably easier. But I guess the point is to reduce the overall amount of footage we have to deal with?
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Postby dan » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:41 pm

Re Polaroid - i took my old one back, but am now wanting to offload it again. It still says barred cam on it. You want it back in Kitchen?

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Postby Martin » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:59 pm

Polaroid is the ideal barred cam. Take photo, put in book. Everything else is a faff.

We should stock up on polaroid film though, it's going out of production.

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Postby Jimmy Bastard » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:53 am

bit of an open goal, really.Image
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Postby chris » Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:57 am

its true, plaza de george orwell is one of my favourite squares (its more of a triangle actually) in barcelona, and it does now have cctv..


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